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Naturalismo has no involvement with Jim Abbott. We are keeping his words below as his final statement on the issue. Natuarlismo is keeping this post in place to provide a forum to discuss strategies for resolving the situation. If we deleted this post, everyone would be left in the dark, including others who might potentially lose money if not for the informational warnings contained in the thread below.
For the time being, DO NOT BUY THIS BOOK until it is absolutely clear that it has been published and being distributed through reputable retailers. That is our final word on the subject. We apologize for any inconvenience our post has caused, but we do not take any responsibility for whomever is witholding the book and any funds received for it. Thank you.
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I have to get this! Thanks for the info!
Comment by Le Catch July 31, 2008 @ 12:33 pm[...] More info here [...]
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Comment by Tye Mauch August 7, 2008 @ 10:44 pmim not privy to this pay pal
What’s happened? delay at the printers? looking forward to book and CD. Better late than never!
Comment by Graeme Orr October 28, 2008 @ 8:04 pmHaving paid over the money in good faith three months ago, I still have not received this book, nor have I received a response to my inquiry about the delay from the email address provided by this site. Is this one very low down scam and rip-off, please respond.
Comment by Donal November 6, 2008 @ 6:04 pmnaturalismo has nothing to do with the publication or shipping of this book. i’m sorry you’re having a negative experience – i’m sure it can be resolved!
Comment by =tyler= November 6, 2008 @ 6:54 pmJim Abbott here–the REAL one, and I am seriously concerned about this crap. I have not even finished my book yet and know nothing about this stuff going on. Someone is playing with fire here and I am looking into it. Tyler, whoever you are, email me at jimbob12404@gmail.com and let me know where you got your info. I have a feeling I know who is behind this but cant be sure until i know what is going on. To all of you who were taken by someone, I certainly apologize for that but I have not finished my book yet. My publisher did indeed die and I told many people that. I also was probably too looselipped with some people about the book and sent large sections of it for their perusal. Again, I am out of the loop on this one. I will dig in and see whgat I can find so my good name is still intact. Those who know me know that this isn’t my MO and isnt even in my DNA.
Comment by Jim Abbott June 14, 2009 @ 2:41 amSince the whole Jackson C. Frank disappearance and reappearance story is a fraud, I hope the book doesn’t materialize. JCF was a stage name for someone who is still alive and a legend in his own mind. He bears no relationship to the down and out “reincarnation” of JC.
Comment by rosie November 7, 2008 @ 3:16 amI might email again, but I got a response in mid-September saying, “I had sent a mass mailing explaining a couple week delay so I could add a few things and get a permission for something in it. I might not have done it properly (the mailing) \.”
Comment by Andrew November 18, 2008 @ 4:42 pmWas a bit concerned after the link disappeared on the Jackson C Frank site (http://www.blueangel.demon.co.uk/jcfrank/), fingers crossed it does show up at some point.
Hi. I am Jim Abbott, and, contrary to what I am reading here, I have not finished my book and have not posted anything about it as yet. I have been seeing mentions of it, and the title “The Tragedy of Jackson C. Frank”. That WAS a working title at one time but no longer. My book won’t be ready for some time yet, so I think someone is playing a cruel trick here. I hope no one has fallen for it, although it appears that some have.
Jim Abbott
Comment by Jim Abbott April 7, 2009 @ 4:14 pmAre you now claiming that you have never advertised the book as finished, asked for money or sent me numerous e-mails saying that your original publisher had died and that you were doing it yourself? Paypal will be able to verify who the money was paid and to what address.
Comment by Bob Howe April 8, 2009 @ 9:34 pmJim,
Comment by mike jackson April 9, 2009 @ 1:24 pmCan you add another post saying if the book
will be coming out with a cd for the first 1000
orders and how to order it
Mike Jackson don’t waste your money you will never see a book or CD. My friend and I ordered and paid for the book last August through Paypal in advance for September release and the payment was accepted by a certain Jim Abbott.
Comment by Bob Howe April 13, 2009 @ 9:29 pmits a pity that people pay and dont get proper feedback, i was one of the first to pay and i am still waiting patiently for the book and cd ,i cannot believe someone would make a few pounds on the back of jackson it would be a sickening thought
Comment by geoffrey blackburn April 28, 2009 @ 8:47 pmHi. I am Jim Abbott and there are some posts on the Naturalismo site referring to a book I am writing, sort of. The posts are inferring that I was selling the book or some such and that people were bilked by myself. I was notified about this again today by a friend. I had first noticed it months ago and had written to Tyler about it, and I thought it would be taken care of, but apparently not.
Here is the deal:
I was and am writing a book about my friend Jackson. It is not finished.
Someone posted a blurb somewhere saying they were me and were selling “my” book for an unknown amount of money. It was not me. My book is not finished. Apparently a couple of people sent someone the money and now are angry. I can’t blame them. It was not, however, me that posted any blurb.
I am requesting that the whole blog thing be removed because shit is coming back to me that I don’t deserve or need. I will gladly look into it if I know more about the details. I have requested that people send me any info about it so I can find out the truth but I don’t have time for this nonsense. Thanks
Jim Abbott (The real one)
Comment by edvard June 14, 2009 @ 5:23 amAccord, NY
What would Jack think?
Comment by jon evermoore June 15, 2009 @ 9:38 pmI can’t help but smile at the irony of the fact that, even in death, Jackson C. Frank continues to be cursed. Poor, poor Jack.
Comment by =tyler= June 15, 2009 @ 9:54 pmThe Blues, they still run the game….
Comment by jon evermoore June 15, 2009 @ 10:52 pmI hope Jack is at rest in peace. Reunited with Marleen.
Are you now claiming that you aren’t the one who ripped us all off?
I did a quick googling with your email address and ‘jimbob12404′ appears to be associated with a bunch of Jackson C. Frank pages. How are you going to explain that?
The only way you can make us believe is by asking PayPal to tell you or us where all that money went. They certainly know. And if you’re the real one you certainly have the right to ask them.
Comment by travis June 16, 2009 @ 3:37 amsome of you who have lost money here should contact paypal and find out whats going on. whoever set up that account cannot hide. They cannot support fraud surely?
Comment by jon evermoore June 16, 2009 @ 7:25 amfound this:
http://tiny.cc/jyMog
Comment by jon evermoore June 17, 2009 @ 2:53 pmand this:
http://www.mojo4music.com/blog/2009/04/the_strange_tale_of_jackson_c.html
Comment by jon evermoore June 19, 2009 @ 11:40 amThat’s an amazing interview! Thanks for sharing that.
Comment by =tyler= June 19, 2009 @ 4:06 pmPretty good eh?
Comment by jon evermoore June 19, 2009 @ 9:19 pmIs that a fantastic photo.
Get the Mojo mag, plenty more there. Including the, real, altruistic, Mr Abbott!
Issue 186, probably no longer on the newstands but I believe they do a back issue service.
its a bit sad all this needs deleting will remember jackson for his contribution to folk rock and i hope the real jim abbott is as sincere as the one that saved jackson as he in that case does not deserve this crap and i hope whoever scammed me for a couple of beers chokes on his next beer
Comment by geoffrey blackburn June 21, 2009 @ 8:28 pmthere is only ONE jim abbott.
Comment by jon evermoore June 21, 2009 @ 10:18 pmjim – don’t choke on your next beer.
I’m surprised that the blog entry on the myspace page (http://www.myspace.com/jacksoncfrank) hasn’t been commented on. Don’t know what to believe about this book any more but if someone uses myspace it may be worth trying to advise people not to send money to that address – at least until someone sees a copy of the book.
As for paypal, I’m going to file a dispute and hope to get a response or my money back. If anyone ever does receive a book from their money, please get in contact with me because if it does turn out to be real I would still like to read it.
Comment by Andrew June 22, 2009 @ 2:38 pmI attach copies of a series of e-mail correspondence that I had with Jim Abbott in 2008 and see what you think.
Hi. Sorry for the delay in replying. I am having to wait til January to get the books and CD ready for shipment. I am doing the CD myself so the publishers can go &^$* themselves. I appreciate your patience.
Jim
— On Wed, 12/17/08, bob howe wrote:
From: bob howe
Subject: Re: Jackson C Frank book
To: “Jim Abbott”
Date: Wednesday, December 17, 2008, 2:03 PM
Jim
It’s now nearly Christmas and we still haven’t received the books we paid you for months ago. You were paid in good faith both for the book plus a CD (the carrot on the stick) which you are not now sending but not offering any partial refund in respect of. With the utmost repect I have to tell you that irrespective of the problems you have had we have been more than fair with you and are now starting to get annoyed. Please either send the 2 books or refund the money which you were paid via Paypal from Aidan Armitage.
Bob Howe
—– Original Message —–
From: Jim Abbott
To: Robert Howe
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: Jackson C Frank book
Hi. Still in a bit if a delay. I have to work some stuff out with the publishers of his music before I can let the book out. It’s as frustrating to me as it is to you, I am sure. Sorry, but please be patient!
Regards
Jim
—– Original Message —-
From: Robert Howe
To: Jim Abbott
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 7:07:18 AM
Subject: Re: Jackson C Frank book
Hi Jim
When I last heard from you the books were going to be ready by 1st October but still haven’treceived mine. can you let me know what’s happening please?
Regards
Bob
—– Original Message —–
From: Jim Abbott
To: bob howe
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: Jackson C Frank book
Lets try that again—I have had a couple of weeks delay—the dates were never firm—due to having to secure some permissions from people for the use of their correspondence and also more importantly because an important contributor to the book has been tardy in sending me his last installments regardings Jackson’s early life, which is crucial to his story. I apologize for the delay but I want this to be as complete and comprehensive as possible.
Thanks
Jim Abbott
— On Tue, 9/9/08, bob howe wrote:
From: bob howe
Subject: Jackson C Frank book
To: jimbob12404@yahoo.com
Date: Tuesday, September 9, 2008, 3:11 PM
Hi Jim
My friend Aidan Armitage paid you some time ago via Paypal for two copies of your book with the free CD. Since we haven’t heard anything and the book is now overdue we were becoming concerned that we would not get them. I am somewhat alarmed by your comments on this blog about not having a publisher for a wider audience but trust that you will honour our pre release order which was paid for in good faith. I notice that you expected to mail books out by 1st September but as I live in England it may be still on its way. I should be grateful if you could set my mind at rest and check that the two books for Aidan Armitage in Leeds England have already been sent.
Kind Regards
Comment by Bob Howe July 4, 2009 @ 12:59 amBob Howe
Further to the above copy e-mails which if you read through them give the e-mail address of jim abbott as jimbob12404@yahoo. In a reputable article published by the folk blues and beyond website elsewhere about Jackson prior to his death, what do you think the Jackson C Frank contact e-mail address is, you’ve guessed it jimbob12404@yahoo. Don’t take my word for it read for yourself at this link. http://www.folkblues.co.uk/artistsfrank.html.
Comment by Bob Howe July 4, 2009 @ 1:30 amSo Jim, firstly it was a lot more than a couple of people you ripped off I personally know of at least six @ $30 each which I suspect is the tip of the iceberg. You either now refund the $60 you fraudulently claimed from myself and my friend (I will give you my e-mail address on request)for your non existent book or I will now contact Paypal on behalf of myself and anyone else who wants to post on this site and see what they can do. Jackson was a great songwriter and would turn in his grave if he knew that you were stealing from people in his memory.
Bob Howe. I’m glad finally someone has posted something like this. As you can see from my last comment above, the nickname ‘jimbob12404′ at yahoo WAS the one who took our money. And the one who claims that he’s the real one, uses the same name at gmail now. That’s what I meant, Jon Evermore. How is he gonna explain that?
But Bob Howe, unfortunately, contacting PayPal now won’t help anything. PayPal doesn’t care if it’s fraud or not, if it’s been over 6 months after the payment, you can never get your money back. Believe me, I contacted them, and also had filed for a dispute. Never worked. The money is long gone.
That’s why I wasn’t saying anything until now.
I mean look at it now, no matter what happans, if Jim Abbott claims that he wasn’t the one who ripped us all off, (there were 25 of us on the mail list he’d sent in Sep 2008)
There’s no way for us to get our money back.
He might say that jimbob12404 at yahoo wasn’t him.
Well, take a look at this page (and also, the link Bob Howe has provided)
http://froots.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=13394&sid=d1ec6078afa3ad1076c4eee17f3ef555
So, the yahoo account doesn’t belong to Jim Abbott? Someone else had created the account to act as the real one and even tried to get a publisher?
Okay now, to make that story stick, it had to happen like this.
The fake had gathered some information about the book, creats an account ‘jimbob12404′ at yahoo. The handle which the real one uses. He sends out the false info to various sites, takes the money and run.
Now, take a look at these pages
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Dave-and-Tracy/message/3927
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/singout/message/2762
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Dave-and-Tracy/message/5726
‘jimbob12404′ at yahoo wrote a messege on Mon Nov 17, 2003.
Unless there was some guy even 6 years ago tried to act like the real one, this doesn’t make sense.
The one who uses the nickname ‘jimbob12404′ at yahoo IS named Jim Abbott and he IS the one who took the money. Abbott, how will you going to explain this?
People will eventually find out the truth unless you pay us all back.
Comment by travis July 4, 2009 @ 1:18 pmWhy was my comment deleted?
If the admin has a reason to delete someone’s comment, why doesn’t he just delete what’s been said and leave the comment space there?
With something like ‘This comment has been deleted – reason’
It’s not pleasant to see my long comment gone without knowing why.
Plus, this site also has a responsibility for having posted a false info. And there has been no word of excuse.
Should this comment be deleted, I’d like to know why. It took me almost an hour to write the previous comment.
Comment by travis July 4, 2009 @ 2:54 pmWas the email address the reason? or you didn’t want Jim Abbott to read it.
Since I didn’t save my comment and I don’t want to go through all the details again (and god knows when it’ll be gone), this is what I had to say.
1. Bob Howe, I’m glad you posted something like this. I didn’t write it down cause I didn’t think there’s any hope left for us. And I still believe there isn’t. PayPal doesn’t care if you’re involved in a fraud or not, 6 months after the payment, there’s no way you could get your money back. Believe me, I’ve tried everything and the answer was no.
2.
http://froots.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=13394&sid=d1ec6078afa3ad1076c4eee17f3ef555
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Dave-and-Tracy/message/5726
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/singout/message/2762
http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/Dave-and-Tracy/message/3927
jimbob12404 at yahoo is the one who took the money.
So, if he was a fake why did he even tried to get a publisher? Was he trying to act like Jim Abbott and even created the account ‘jimbob12404′ (which the real one uses) at yahoo? The last link shows it was posted in November 2003. So, he’s been acting like the real one since 2003? To take the money and run in 2008?
3. There were 25 of us on the list of the mail Abbott had sent us in September 2008. Now, unless ’someone’ decides to refund us all, there’s no way for us to get the money back.
4.Everything leads me to believe there indeed is only ONE Jim Abbott, I’m waiting, we’re wating for him or somebody to correct me if I’m wrong.
Comment by travis July 4, 2009 @ 5:29 pmHey, is naturalismo in kahoots with Jim Abbott?
I posted 2 long comments with strong evidences and they’ve been deleted without a reason. Seeing my comment above hasn’t been, at least one of the people with the permission to delete must feel guilty about something.
I guess people here only have to leave a comment that you’re going to be happy with.
Comment by travis July 4, 2009 @ 10:39 pmYeah, go ahead and delete this too.
Naturalismo is not in “kahoots” with Jim Abbott. We posted the book information because we stumbled across a website that claimed to be selling the book. There is no conspiracy. If there was foul play on the part of that website, then Naturalismo was duped as well. So, we deleted our post and left the comment stream alive to provide an arena for people to discuss their problems with the book and, hopefully, resolve the issue as quickly as possible. Please be patient, keep listening to Jackson C. Frank’s music, and trust that, in the end, everything will be ok.
Comment by =tyler= July 6, 2009 @ 4:02 pmI appreciate your reply, since it at least answers one of my two questions.
My other question is, why did you delete my comments? (two of them)
I was and still am mad because I have no idea why they’re gone and even with your reply, I can’t figure out the reason. I was already mad at the person who took our money and my comments being gone? It’s too much for me.
[quote]So, we deleted our post and left the comment stream alive to provide an arena for people to discuss their problems with the book[/quote]
If this really is the case, please be fair enough to tell me why, as far as I know, my comments had no four words nor personal attacks addressed to anybody.
Comment by travis July 6, 2009 @ 5:07 pmI wrote down simple facts and links that I found through google.(which is available and open to the public obviously)
Travis, I have no recollection of deleting your comments. That doesn’t mean I didn’t do it, but I don’t remember doing it. If they were deleted, it was probably just to clean up the page. If you remember what you said, you’re more than welcome to repost it. We’re not trying to hurt you. We’re here to help.
Comment by =tyler= July 6, 2009 @ 5:11 pmAs you can see Jim, from the adverse comments by other people on this blog it is not going to go away and neither am I so you need to think long and hard. Fraud is a criminal offence and if Paypal have to refund all the money that you obtained by deception they are going to be less than happy with you. I would strongly advise anyone who paid this conman by Paypal to get in touch with them and notify the date and transaction details for the non existent book. If everyone who paid does this, there is a reasonable chance he will be prosecuted or at the very least have his account cancelled or blacklisted. Good luck everybody.
Comment by Bob Howe July 6, 2009 @ 12:17 amBob Howe, as you probably know already, my comments with PayPal refund info is gone.
Comment by travis July 6, 2009 @ 5:15 pmI don’t know if this one can stay alive long enough for you to read, but the fact is, you can not get your money back 6 months after the payment. They have this ridiculous policy thing going on, which I simply couldn’t make myself an exception. To my knowledge, we can’t have our money back untill the one who took it personally pay us back.
Thanks Travis
Comment by Bob Howe July 6, 2009 @ 10:54 pmI’ve since discovered something similar which means that if a liar like Jim Abbott can string you along long enough with false promises for Paypal’s refund guarantee to run out, he can rip you off. As you can see my issues with him are 100% genuine and as I am a firm believer in karma I have every faith that his lies and deceit will come back to haunt him. People like Jim Abbott who are worthless enough to steal from Jackson even after his awful life and death are scum beneath contempt. It’s a pity noone who was scammed lives near enough to pay him a visit and express our displeasure personally to his face.
Thanks again Travis and no votes to Naturalissimo for continuing to give scumbag Abbott a forum to tell even more lies.
Naturalismo is not giving Jim Abbott a forum to tell lies. Natuarlismo is giving people like yourself and Travis a forum to discuss strategies for resolving the situation. If we deleted this post, everyone would be left in the dark, including others who might potentially lose money if not for the informational warnings contained in this thread.
Comment by =tyler= July 6, 2009 @ 11:03 pmI’m as annoyed as the next man when someone scams me out of £15 (or however much it was) but some of these comments are a bit disappointing to read. People wanting the man to choke and calling him scum?
Yeah, I’m not entirely sold on the imposter scenario either (the email story doesn’t add up in my mind), but this man had the heart to try and help Jackson in his dying years. Without this man a lot of us probably wouldn’t have ever heard the music or have known the tragedy.
Who knows Jim’s story? People do regrettable things in hours of need.
I’d love to read the book at some point but I would also enjoy hearing the truth without emotions flying all over the place.
As for naturalismo, no idea what the deletion of comments is all about but I really appreciate you leaving this forum open for discussion. Thank you.
Comment by Andrew July 6, 2009 @ 11:49 pmMystery solved. Travis’ “missing” comments were caught in naturalismo’s spam filter because they contained links. They are posted now.
Comment by =tyler= July 6, 2009 @ 11:52 pmTyler, and all the contridutors of this site. I sincerely appologize for that rather aggressive assumption of mine, for now I know what’s really happened.
How was I suppose to know there was such a thing like spam filter? I have to admit I became a bit over emotional after seeing my 2nd comment gone.
Comment by travis July 7, 2009 @ 1:22 amI was pretty damn sure ’someone’ was deleting my comments.
But now it’s all clear and I appreciate Tyler for first, posting them again (God knows what he had to go through) second, yes, indeed for keeping this all alive or else we wouldn’t even be here exchanging thoughts and informations.
Andrew, I am impressed with your overriding sense of decency and Travis too, you are obviously really nice people but as someone who has also known real hardship and poverty I find it much harder to forgive. At the time I paid my share of that money to Jim Abbott,I too was very ill, living on benefits and had very little but I paid it to him in good faith to learn about the life of a musician who was very special to me and in whose music I took great comfort, through many dark hours.
If Jim Abbott had been honest with me and said that in the end the money had gone but he couldn’t afford to finish the book, that if he ever did he would send it to me, then I could have forgiven him. Instead he has chosen to fabricate a ridiculous tissue of lies, excuses and denials which have been shot full of holes in this forum. It is this that I find so hard to forgive and why I have no hesitation in rubbishing him relentlessly until he finally admits the truth and refunds the money he has taken under false pretences. On a more practical level now if the book were ever published, would it have any credibility, bearing in mind the ease with which Mr Abbott is able to lie? I think after reading his postings I would rather just have a refund because I don’t think he is capable of writing the truth.
Comment by Bob Howe July 8, 2009 @ 9:05 pmTruly sorry for hear that, Bob. I would recommend you try emailing him at the gmail address as he suggests he wants to put things right with a printing of the book. Whether it will happen I can’t guarantee but paypal are such an inept company when it comes to refunding that you’re probably more likely to receive a copy of the book.
Heck, if it was certain to sell and make its money back (and cover others that pre-ordered) I’d be willing to get it printed (so long as I was the one dealing with the material and printers).
Comment by Andrew July 8, 2009 @ 9:25 pmAndrew
Comment by Bob Howe July 8, 2009 @ 10:14 pmThanks for your post but as you can see from the sequence of emails in both directions which I copied and pasted above I just got excuse after excuse and eventually he stopped replying altogether. A really nice guy! Fortunately I am much better now and not experiencing the hardship I was back then but having explained myself I hope that you can understand why I feel so angry towards him.
Andrew, I understand what you mean by ‘hearing the truth without emotions flying all over the place’, but by that rationale, would it be ok for Bob Howe and me to rip off people? Only because we’re having a hard time? I know, I know you didn’t mean that but I’m as angry as Bob Howe here.
Jim Abbott had given us dozens of lies he couldn’t even keep and wasted not only our valuable money but our time.
I’d even given the book info to a friend and although he knows what’s happened, I can’t help myself but feel guilty for having given him the false information.
Bob Howe, don’t take me for a super nice guy on this one. I won’t go into details but I exactly remember what I had to go through in August 2008 in order to pay that lying bastard. I was only showing my little bit of respect to Naturalismo and its people for keeping this alive, they could have easily deleted this page and said the fraud thing had nothing to do with them.
And by April this year, when it seemed obvious it’s a fraud, I was thinking pretty much the same thing, meaning, that Jim Abbott should be thankful that no one who takes this seriously lives in the states to take it to the authorities.
And to this day, I still don’t get why only the two of us take this matter seriously. No matter how much the amount was, I’d rather burn the money than hand it to a liar.
Jim Abbott was lying to us in the first place and even pulled that ‘it wasn’t me’ bullshit. I don’t even feel sorry for him, I only feel sorry for myself for having been too naive to pay my money to someone like him. God, was I glad to hear about a book on Frank’s life.
My opinion on that ‘whether to get the money back or the book’ thing?
Comment by Travis July 8, 2009 @ 11:32 pmI don’t even think about it, cause neither will happen.
Last but not least.
Comment by Travis July 8, 2009 @ 11:43 pmI’d like to hear from the man himself, what he’s got to say, if it’s not gonna be another excuse or a lie. And from Jon Evermore, who appears to be one of his real life friends and pretty sure Jim Abbott wasn’t the man behind all this.